Circumcision as an adult, part 1

I wish to write a personal account of my recent circumcision because I had been looking for similar information when I was in the process of deciding whether or not to have it done, and while I did find a limited number of personal accounts, I would have appreciated more and from different angles. To uninterested observers, the things I'm going to write may seem like a lot of detail about something minor, but it may not seem as unimportant to some. It is these I write for.

Among the predominantly Catholic/agnostic/atheist population in Slovenia, circumcision is usually not performed at birth. If performed, this is usually done in childhood or teenage years due to a significant medical reason - in particular if the foreskin is too narrow to reveal the glans penis completely, making hygiene difficult and sexual performance painful.

I will soon be 26 and I had no such pressing medical cause. My penis performed well, was well-shaped and good-looking. My girlfriend did observe that I had comparably more foreskin than her other lovers, and I found this to be an annoyance during sex because it could decrease friction and pleasure for both when I wasn't 100% erect.

But the primary reason in favor of my circumcision was a series of what looked like yeast infections: red spots that would take a long time (several weeks) to develop. If promptly, properly and continuously treated with clotrimazolum, they would take an equally long time to go away. (Clotrimazolum is the active ingredient in an over-the-counter, non-prescription anti-yeast cream available in Slovene pharmacies as Canesten.) If left untreated, the red spots would gradually cover the penis and begin to itch painfully, requiring a prescription antibiotic cream to go away. Despite my attempts at proper hygiene, these incidents would repeat several times over a number of years, and my understanding was that my attempts at fixing this were largely foiled by the damp environment provided by my foreskin. In its plenty nooks and crannies, the yeast would find a moist and anaerobic place where it could hide until the conditions were once again in its favor so it could proliferate. I therefore concluded that the only way to tackle this problem permanently would be by removing the foreskin.

There are two ways to have a medical procedure in Slovenia: to pay or not to pay. The national medical insurance scheme will cover the cost of a procedure if doctors decide that it is necessary by prescribing it. I could probably get a doctor to prescribe the procedure and get it done for free. However, the waiting period at the Ljubljana Clinical Center is some 18 months; also, when I last underwent treatment there, I wasn't too enthused about the nurses' attitudes and the experience. So I picked the only institution in Ljubljana I was told of where the waiting period is short and that performs circumcision privately - the Rozna Dolina Surgical Sanatorium.

I soon found out that these circumcisions were being prescribed and performed all by exactly one and the same doctor who is in some sort of business relationship with the Sanatorium. It is an old geezer called dr. prim. Marko Stanonik dr. med., and he turns out to be a traditionalist, authoritarian Catholic fellow who converses with an air of arrogance and judgementalism. During my initial examination appointment with him, he was visibly skeptical and sarcastic of modern phenomena such as this thing called internet where I learned various facts about circumcision about which I wanted to talk to him. I was expecting to get some reassurance and objective medical opinion, but none was forthcoming. The guy appears to have an underlying belief that no kind of informedness is possible, or even desirable, on behalf of a patient - even if one is undergoing surgery. He gave me a cover diagnosis of phimosis - a condition I don't have where the foreskin is too narrow to retract over the glans penis - and told me I will be contacted by the Surgical Sanatorium.

I almost balked out of the operation when I learned from the Surgical Sanatorium that the same doctor who performed the pre-op examination would also be doing surgery on me. I disliked the guy for his patronizing judgemental traditionalist attitudes and his failure to help me with making up my mind about whether circumcision or something else would be a good idea for me. After some contemplation, though, I decided that his ability to communicate isn't the most important aspect of a surgeon, and that he may do a good job regardless of how bad at public relations he might be. (My main support for this is research I read about which found that, how much a doctor gets sued, is unrelated to how good he is as a doctor, but instead is related to the tone of voice and quality of communication he uses towards his patients; so good doctors who communicate poorly get sued for other people's errors, and bad doctors who communicate well don't get sued even for what were clearly their errors.)

Almost two months after my initial examination, the date of the operation arrived and I decided to go ahead with it, but with some hesitation. The morning of the operation, I shaved my pubic area as instructed and appeared at the Sanatorium some 30 minutes late. I paid for the operation, which cost EUR 334 (the USD equivalent shifts continously). After another 30 minutes of waiting, I was taken in by a kind nurse and asked to strip and change into a revealing hospital garment, slippers and a hairnet. After changing, I was led into the operation room where I laid down on the table. A nurse prepared me by shaving a spot on my thigh and sticking to it a palm-sized electrode. I waited for a few minutes covered in the green paper-like sheets they use during operations. I was told several times to relax, but the requests seemed pointless; I was definitely anxious. At this time I was wondering why I got myself there and was despairing over the fate of my penis and foreskin, which hadn't caused me any trouble recently and which I rather liked when it wasn't causing me red spots and things. However, by this point I would really have needed a very good reason to leave. So I waited, anxiously.

Dr. Stanonik arrived and they started working immediately. A nurse exposed my pubic area and hung the green covering over me in such a way that I couldn't see what was happening. The surgeon started talking to me about my work and at the same time started working on me; it felt like a diversion to make me not think about what was happening simultaneously. I felt an injection of anaesthetic in three spots at the base of my penis. I didn't feel much for most of the remainder of the operation, except for what felt like removal of part of the foreskin, which hurt like hell! It seems that the anaesthetic didn't take well on the left side of the penis, because I generally felt more on that side, including this pain, but I didn't feel anything elsewhere. During the operation, the surgeon generally joked and refrained from giving me any accurate and meaningful information when I asked for it. The nurses were kinder and responded more factually. The whole thing, from first prick to completion, took some 30 minutes. When it was over, they had packed my penis into a roll of gauze, which I received instructions to remove the next day. I asked the surgeon what sort of painkillers would be necessary, and he said that generally they're not. I thought "Yeah, right" to that.

After the operation, I immediately reported a gradually increasing pain which I felt was going to get worse by the minute as the anaesthetic wears off. I requested painkillers but was told that I would get them later when I get into the waiting room, and that I should sit down a bit first. I needed to sit down because I had vertigo, but I knew I'll also desperately need the painkillers, so I pretended to be fine and dressed and went into the waiting room. They asked me to stay there for another 45 minutes - sitting upright, fully clothed, among other patients - to make sure that everything is OK. I got a single 75mg pill of diclofenacum (Naklofen), but it was too little, too late: in the waiting room, my penis started hurting like hell while I was squirming and gritting teeth; nobody paid me attention except the other patients who simply preferred not to sit very close to me. After some 45 minutes, another nurse called me in to check my bandages; it was OK, and after I asked her, she did get me three more diclofenacum pills to last me through the day. It hurt like hell driving home, and when I got home it hurt for another hour or more until both the diclofenacum pills finally started working. I stayed on the couch and didn't move much for the rest of the day, and the pain was OK.

In the evening I had to remove the bandages when they were soaked with urine after peeing, and I found my penis in a sorry state indeed; the glans was nearly hidden in the swollen tissue around it. I went to bed with another, final pill of diclofenacum.

I was told before and after the operation that I should avoid erections and physical activity until the wound heals. This was easy enough during the day, but I was wondering how I'm going to achieve it during the night, because at that time erections are subconscious - and are in fact necessary for keeping the penis healthy. (Smokers have much weaker night-time erections and significantly more erectile dysfunction.) And indeed, the penis wouldn't listen to the surgeon, and I got several erections during the night, including a wet dream! Fortunately, no trouble seems to have come from it, and at this time (the second day) the penis appears to be healing normally. Meanwhile, I heard an encouraging report from a female friend about her colleague's improved sexual experience after circumcision. Consequently, me and my girlfriend can't wait for the wound to fully heal in order to try the newly shaped penis in practice. :)

Comments

Alex said…
Thanks for the info man. I just had this done. I am in a sorry state indeed at this early stage of my recovery. Day 4. How did it all turn out?
denis bider said…
Hello Alex,

it turned out well. Sex has been better after circumcision, both for and my wife. It is true that the glans grows much less sensitive, but this is more than outweighed by the absence of gliding action.

Looking back at sex before circumcision, I find that the gliding action was the single biggest detractor from sexual pleasure. It often even made it difficult for me to keep the penis hard, because the less hard you are, the more gliding action there is, and the more gliding action there is, the less friction you feel, and the less friction you feel, the more limper you get. So it's a vicious cycle. If you experience it, this be fixed by the removal of the foreskin.

Aside from that, the consequences of the asymmetrical cut I received are still apparent. It doesn't look as good as it's supposed to, and I'm actually considering having it fixed at some point. I'm still angry at that old bastard who's responsible for cutting me asymmetrically. However, it doesn't impact me in any way other than aesthetically, and the wife doesn't mind it, so it's not a practical concern; it's just that I'd prefer to be cut more symmetrically, that's all.

Other than that, I would still encourage circumcision to anyone.
denis bider said…
Except, of course, women. :)
Alex said…
Denis,

Man, that's good to hear (except for the asymmetry, which seems to be only a minor issue for you. Not that its the only thing to consider but if your wife doesn't mind, maybe its not really worth it?) The whole gliding factor is really what spurred it for me in the first place. For me, I could only really get that "feel" at the very end of the "glide" with a full thrust. I couldn't feel anything otherwise. Condoms, which were really hard to keep in place, made it worse. That process you went thru sounds really bad. Here in the US I was lucky enough to have pretty caring and discrete medical staff involved. Many thanks for sharing man!
David said…
Thanks for the post. I too was circumcised as an adult. Fortunately I found lots of info on www.circlist.com and also a good doctor there. He circucmised me good and tight, and as everyone here has said, sex is very much improved without the long sliding foreskin. I also had very little pain after the surgery, so consider myself lucky. Best to do all boys sometime before puberty, I think.
denis bider said…
I'm not sure.

Circumcision on a newborn involves what might possibly be damage to tissue that's not yet ready for a procedure like this - as far as I know, with newborns, the foreskin is still attached to the glans penis, and circumcision involves forceful separation of the two.

On the other hand, circumcision on a fully aware older boy would likely be traumatic, especially with the boy not being given any chance to see what the alternative is like - to have sex with an uncircumcised penis.

I'd say circumcision should be an elective procedure that people can do if they decide to do so. It does have advantages, but these advantages do not need to be forced onto anyone who is not ready to accept them. People should be able to make this decision for themselves, fully informed.
swllz said…
"Circumcision on a newborn involves what might possibly be damage to tissue that's not yet ready for a procedure like this - as far as I know, with newborns, the foreskin is still attached to the glans penis, and circumcision involves forceful separation of the two.

On the other hand, circumcision on a fully aware older boy would likely be traumatic, especially with the boy not being given any chance to see what the alternative is like - to have sex with an uncircumcised penis.

I'd say circumcision should be an elective procedure that people can do if they decide to do so. It does have advantages, but these advantages do not need to be forced onto anyone who is not ready to accept them. People should be able to make this decision for themselves, fully informed."

I totally agree with this comment/answer. I recently did a circ myself. My experience for sex is also the similar as Denis described. I did my circ loosely, so I can do it again if I want to in later time. I have posted my photos on google circlist group.

Willi
John said…
Initially I was very skeptical of your final conclusions, (and that little quip about cutting in the opposite sex, give me a break, both are without consent at times) but that last comment you've left concerning your stance leaves me feeling relieved. At least you're not gung-ho about cutting infants like some others. I respect you much more for that.

Personally, my parents chose to circumcise me, and I really hate it. It should have been my choice. Ever since I learned there was a difference, I've found the alternative state mystifying. I guess I can see how the "gliding action" might interfere, but I've been trying to restore and I love the feel of the loose skin rolling over the shaft. It makes masturbation feel much better in my opinion. It comes down to personal preference, not everybody is the same. For this reason, ALL babies bodies are best left alone I would think.

By the way, circlist is not a reputable source of information.
denis bider said…
John,

I think the major problem with coerced circumcisions is that it is irreversible, and you never get to try the sex without circumcision. Since you can never know, there's always the nibbling thought that maybe uncircumcised sex would feel better.

It is also a question people can't really answer for you, since whether or not it would feel better might depend on other things such as the shape of the head of your penis and its girth, and this may vary for each individual.

I have to admit though, that now that I've been circumcised, I find the state of the uncircumcised penis fairly dirty - meaning unhygienic. This might be partly prejudice, but partly it is proven that disease doesn't take hold as much on a penis with foreskin removed.

For example, HIV infection rates are 50% lower for circumcized men. Also, circumcized men don't get penis cancer, which is likely caused by HPV, which also causes cervical cancer in women.

Given these considerations, I have to admit that I slightly recoil at the thought of a woman I care about being penetrated by an uncircumcized penis. Given also that sex feels about as good for me, or better, than before circumcision, I'm inclined to choose circumcision for any male descendants.

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